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  • Gnosticism: From Nag Hammadi to the Gospel of Judas

Gnosticism: From Nag Hammadi to the Gospel of Judas Audible Audiobook – Original recording

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Gnosticism, one of the most fascinating and perplexing phenomena in Western religious history, sparked religious ideologies that competed with many other religions of the time, including the theological thinking that came to define Christianity. And, though the emerging Orthodox Church eventually condemned Gnosticism as heretical, the church formed many of its most central doctrines (such as original sin, the Immaculate Conception, and even the concept of heresy) in response to Gnostic ideas.

This fascinating 24-lecture course is a richly detailed guide to the theology, sacred writings, rituals, and outstanding human figures of the Gnostic movements. What we call "Gnosticism" comprised a number of related religious ideologies and movements, all of which sought "gnosis," or immediate, direct, and intimate knowledge of God. The Gnostics had many scriptures, but unlike the holy texts of other religions, Gnostic scriptures were often modified over time. Gnostic cosmology was extraordinarily intricate and multidimensional, but religious myth was simply a means to the ultimate end of gnosis.

Follow Gnostic ideology and its vivid impact on Western thought through the centuries, from its role in early religions and its re-emergence in medieval spirituality to its remarkable traces in modern popular culture, from science fiction novels like Blade Runner to Hollywood films like The Matrix. In delving into the paths of gnosis, you'll discover a compelling, alternative current of religious practice in the West, and reveal Gnostic influence resonating in Western spirituality even in the present day.

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Listening Length 12 hours and 19 minutes
Author David Brakke, The Great Courses
Narrator David Brakke
Audible.com Release Date February 05, 2015
Publisher The Great Courses
Program Type Audiobook
Version Original recording
Language English
ASIN B00T7AQS64
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3.8 out of 5 stars
12 global ratings
Fabulous course, worth every cent
5 out of 5 stars
Fabulous course, worth every cent
David Brakke, a Yale Ph.D. recipient and professor of the State of Ohio University has the virtue of knowing what teaching is. It is not that he has plenty of knowledge, is that he is able to convey the knowledge he has in ways that are both understandable, engaging and entertaining without being informal or too formal. THE RECORDING This is an excellent audio recording, great sound, well structured and narrated, with musical clues that indicate the end of a chapter, and headings by a radio-voice presenter at the beginning of each chapter. Brakke's narration is excellent. The modulation and inflection of his voice and tone are easy to follow without getting bored or sleepy, even when Brakke gives details about the myths of the different Gnostics. He is able to be rigorous about what he says but also flexible, not dogmatic, he doesn't present his opinion as Universal if it is not, he is humble but assertive. He does what true scholars do, they know a lot but know what they don't know so they don't fake what they don't or add on anything. Brakke's knowledge on the subject is exhaustive. THE LECTURES The course is made of 24 lessons, each of about 30 minutes and we are taken through the main schools of Gnosticism, the main sources and philosophers, giving a detailed account of each document discusses or branch of Early Christianity examined in the course. Brakke also shows the points that those branches and texts share and those on which they differ, and digs into what the life was for Christians in the three first centuries of the Christian Era, but also gives some sketched information about related beliefs that span through the Middle Ages and to this very day. The list of lessons is as follows: 1- Rediscovering Gnosis. 2- Who where the Gnostics? 3- God in Gnostic Myth. 4- Gnosticism on Creation, Sin and Salvation. 5- Judas as Gnostic Tragic Hero. 6- Gnostic Bible Stories. 7- Gnosticism Ritual Pathway to God. 8- The Feminine in Gnostic Myth.9- The Gospel of Thomas’ Cryptic Sayings. 10- The Gospel of Thomas on Reunifying the Self.11- Valentinus, Great Preacher of Gnosis. 12- God and Creation in Valentinian Myth.13- “Becoming Male” through Valentinian Ritual. 14- Valentinian Views on Christian Theology. 15- Mary Magdalene as an Apostle of Gnosis. 16- Competing Revelations from Christ.17- The Invention of Heresy. 18- Making Gnosis Orthodox. 19- Gnosticism and Judaism. 20- Gnosis without Christ. 21- The Mythology of Manichaeism. 22- Augustine on Manichaeism and Original Sin.23- Gnostic Traces in Western Religions. 24- “Gnosticism” in the Modern Imagination. THE COMPANION BOOK You can download the book on PDF from your library (in your member area), potion the cursor on the PDF link and let clink and select save link as, and it will The audio-book comes with a companion book, of about 185 pages. The text is mostly what Brakke narrates, but not strictly so, no to the letter, as he adds things that aren't in the book. The book contains very helpful illustrations and figures, a list of recommended reads at the end of each chapter and some questions to ponder on it on your own. The book also includes a very up to date bibliography, and each chapter offers a list of suggested readings and makes some questions for the readier/student to ponder on. MY PERSONAL TAKINGS ON THE COURSE I have learned many things about Gnosticism and Early Christianity in this book. However, a few points have a special relevance for me, and they are the points that make me wonder, ponder and reflect. The eye-openers. These are my personal nuggets from the book: ~~ Gnosticism is a clear example of the many factions, chaos, and ways of dealing with Jesus' message in the first centuries of Christianity. Nothing was set on stone, so all Christians had to make sense of the differences between the God depicted in the Old Testament and the message brought by Jesus. Those first centuries saw different approaches, some of them considered heretic, but they were never so, they were mostly not dominant because even among main-stream Christianity, if such thing existed, nothing was set on stone either. Gnosticism sheds light on the richness and confusion with which early Christians looked at the world of Spirit. ~~ I found amazing how contemporary and relevant the Gospel of St Thomas is for modern spirituality and how, despite being discarded as being an apocrypha, the message is perhaps the closest to that of Jesus. The Kingdom of God is here and now, inside you, the inner and outer are a reflection of each other. So very Jungian, as well! It has made it to my must-read text. I wonder why never made it to the New Testament. ~~ I find really surprising the influence of Plato in many of the Gnostic myth, but with a layer of spirituality added onto it. ~~ Despite what many Gnostic aficionados say, the role of women in Gnosticism was not that different from the role that women had in Early Christianity. Yes, there are more women or female figures in the Gnostic writings, even the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, but women were considered derivative imperfect souls and copies of their male counterparts, from whom they need permission to act in the world. ~~ The Gospels weren't written by the apostles and are not contemporaneous of Jesus. I think that needs to be reminded. It is OK to believe, to believe in Jesus and to be Christian, but one should be aware of what one is swearing on. ~~ Mythical narratives need to make sense; otherwise, the faithful will adjust the narrative until it does. The example of the nativity scene Brakke gives is brilliant! Early Christians didn't have the set of dogmas or unquestionable "truths" we now have, as most of them are a historical construction, but we all want to make sense of religious texts, understand their lack of congruencies or things that seem not to depict God in ways that are unflattering. The Gnostics, perhaps more than anybody else, were able to address those hot-potato points and deal with them in very creative ways. ~~ Early Christians seemed to be more interested than contemporary Christians in understanding what they believed. These Christians sought direct knowledge of God not just to feel him in their hearts or to follow Jesus' teachings. They had a faith that was less blind, and part of spirituality was "to know" not just to believe, to interpret and not just to take everything literally. Those Christians who declared the Gnostics heretics, tried to do the same and provided explanations to address the same quest for knowledge of God, the connection between the Old and New Testament, and offered stories about salvation that would resonate with Christians that also seemed to seek answers not just dogma. ~~ Gnosctic, Valentiniana, Mandeans, Manichaeans, the Kabbalah, Hermeticism and Neoplatonism, among many other creeds and philosophies examined in this course, which go from Early Christianity to the modern day, show that humans have always had a need to approach God and the Spirit in ways that aren't simplistic or literal, that humans need of myths and symbols to go deeper into the understanding of the world and Spirit to give meaning to their lives. ~~ Believers, or some ranks amongst them, have always aimed to make sense of the Biblical Genesis, a almost a need to know ho the world and the Universe came to be, why the world doesn't make sense despite the assumption of the existence of God, and the position of humans and the human soul in it. Have you ever wondered why Einstein is so "revered"? ~~ Coptic Christianity is such an important part of Early Christianity that this should be more commonly acknowledged and frequently taught in school. All the Coptic texts and Coptic Christianity of the past are an heritage to Humanity, at least to Christians, and we should aim to protect modern Copts, their churches and their Museums from the abuses and destruction they are suffering in modern Egypt. WARNING Brakke is very balance on his discourse, so I think nobody will get offended by anything he says. However, I you take the Bible and the New Testament to the letter, if you are conservative or very conservative Christian, this is not a book for you. This is a historical course, by a professional scholar who has no interest on doing anything that is not teaching a subject on which he is an expert. If you decide to go on and get offended, you are the only one to blame. A WISH I would love Brakke to offer another course on any of the subjects he is expert on! He is just a fantastic teacher and scholar and perfect for this sort of recording.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 5, 2021
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    cadence could be more engaging but the material was communicated well.
  • Reviewed in the United States on March 20, 2021
    Format: Audiobook
    Many years ago a man told me something (actually he blurted something), it was one of those earth-shaking things that was contrary to everything I believed about Christianity; however, that seed laid dormant for years.

    In the meantime I'd heard of Gnosticism, but didn't take the time to research it. I found this course on Audible.com a few weeks ago and I couldn't take another step until I delved into it.

    I did not know nor did I suspect what the man blurted to me all those years ago, was the basic foundation of Gnosticism. It answered so many questions for me. I find that the more I learn the more I need to learn...I'll run out of time before I run out of things to learn and un-learn.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on June 11, 2016
    Format: Audiobook
    Amazingly good. I thought I knew a few things about Gnosticism, but after listening to this, I realized that I knew nothing at all. Brakke packs a wealth of information in his lectures and after giving a history of the works, shows how Gnostic thought influences extend to this day. I'll never be able to look at the movie Blade Runner (which was based on a novel by Philip K. Dick, who was familiar with Gnosticism) the same way again.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 12, 2015
    Format: Audiobook
    This is an excellent look at the Gnostics. We can be very thankful their writings were discovered at Nag Hamadi, and one can't help but wonder about what writings didn't survive--or, more intriguing, what writings are still to be discovered. One can't also help but wonder why Amazon does not offer the ability for its sellers to list and sell the CD version of this Great Course.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 15, 2016
    Format: Audiobook
    David Brakke, a Yale Ph.D. recipient and professor of the State of Ohio University has the virtue of knowing what teaching is. It is not that he has plenty of knowledge, is that he is able to convey the knowledge he has in ways that are both understandable, engaging and entertaining without being informal or too formal.

    THE RECORDING
    This is an excellent audio recording, great sound, well structured and narrated, with musical clues that indicate the end of a chapter, and headings by a radio-voice presenter at the beginning of each chapter.

    Brakke's narration is excellent. The modulation and inflection of his voice and tone are easy to follow without getting bored or sleepy, even when Brakke gives details about the myths of the different Gnostics. He is able to be rigorous about what he says but also flexible, not dogmatic, he doesn't present his opinion as Universal if it is not, he is humble but assertive. He does what true scholars do, they know a lot but know what they don't know so they don't fake what they don't or add on anything. Brakke's knowledge on the subject is exhaustive.

    THE LECTURES
    The course is made of 24 lessons, each of about 30 minutes and we are taken through the main schools of Gnosticism, the main sources and philosophers, giving a detailed account of each document discusses or branch of Early Christianity examined in the course. Brakke also shows the points that those branches and texts share and those on which they differ, and digs into what the life was for Christians in the three first centuries of the Christian Era, but also gives some sketched information about related beliefs that span through the Middle Ages and to this very day.

    The list of lessons is as follows:
    1- Rediscovering Gnosis. 2- Who where the Gnostics? 3- God in Gnostic Myth. 4- Gnosticism on Creation, Sin and Salvation. 5- Judas as Gnostic Tragic Hero. 6- Gnostic Bible Stories. 7- Gnosticism Ritual Pathway to God. 8- The Feminine in Gnostic Myth.9- The Gospel of Thomas’ Cryptic Sayings. 10- The Gospel of Thomas on Reunifying the Self.11- Valentinus, Great Preacher of Gnosis. 12- God and Creation in Valentinian Myth.13- “Becoming Male” through Valentinian Ritual. 14- Valentinian Views on Christian Theology. 15- Mary Magdalene as an Apostle of Gnosis. 16- Competing Revelations from Christ.17- The Invention of Heresy. 18- Making Gnosis Orthodox. 19- Gnosticism and Judaism. 20- Gnosis without Christ. 21- The Mythology of Manichaeism. 22- Augustine on Manichaeism and Original Sin.23- Gnostic Traces in Western Religions. 24- “Gnosticism” in the Modern Imagination.

    THE COMPANION BOOK
    You can download the book on PDF from your library (in your member area), potion the cursor on the PDF link and let clink and select save link as, and it will

    The audio-book comes with a companion book, of about 185 pages. The text is mostly what Brakke narrates, but not strictly so, no to the letter, as he adds things that aren't in the book. The book contains very helpful illustrations and figures, a list of recommended reads at the end of each chapter and some questions to ponder on it on your own. The book also includes a very up to date bibliography, and each chapter offers a list of suggested readings and makes some questions for the readier/student to ponder on.

    MY PERSONAL TAKINGS ON THE COURSE
    I have learned many things about Gnosticism and Early Christianity in this book. However, a few points have a special relevance for me, and they are the points that make me wonder, ponder and reflect. The eye-openers. These are my personal nuggets from the book:

    ~~ Gnosticism is a clear example of the many factions, chaos, and ways of dealing with Jesus' message in the first centuries of Christianity. Nothing was set on stone, so all Christians had to make sense of the differences between the God depicted in the Old Testament and the message brought by Jesus. Those first centuries saw different approaches, some of them considered heretic, but they were never so, they were mostly not dominant because even among main-stream Christianity, if such thing existed, nothing was set on stone either. Gnosticism sheds light on the richness and confusion with which early Christians looked at the world of Spirit.

    ~~ I found amazing how contemporary and relevant the Gospel of St Thomas is for modern spirituality and how, despite being discarded as being an apocrypha, the message is perhaps the closest to that of Jesus. The Kingdom of God is here and now, inside you, the inner and outer are a reflection of each other. So very Jungian, as well! It has made it to my must-read text. I wonder why never made it to the New Testament.

    ~~ I find really surprising the influence of Plato in many of the Gnostic myth, but with a layer of spirituality added onto it.

    ~~ Despite what many Gnostic aficionados say, the role of women in Gnosticism was not that different from the role that women had in Early Christianity. Yes, there are more women or female figures in the Gnostic writings, even the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, but women were considered derivative imperfect souls and copies of their male counterparts, from whom they need permission to act in the world.

    ~~ The Gospels weren't written by the apostles and are not contemporaneous of Jesus. I think that needs to be reminded. It is OK to believe, to believe in Jesus and to be Christian, but one should be aware of what one is swearing on.

    ~~ Mythical narratives need to make sense; otherwise, the faithful will adjust the narrative until it does. The example of the nativity scene Brakke gives is brilliant! Early Christians didn't have the set of dogmas or unquestionable "truths" we now have, as most of them are a historical construction, but we all want to make sense of religious texts, understand their lack of congruencies or things that seem not to depict God in ways that are unflattering. The Gnostics, perhaps more than anybody else, were able to address those hot-potato points and deal with them in very creative ways.

    ~~ Early Christians seemed to be more interested than contemporary Christians in understanding what they believed. These Christians sought direct knowledge of God not just to feel him in their hearts or to follow Jesus' teachings. They had a faith that was less blind, and part of spirituality was "to know" not just to believe, to interpret and not just to take everything literally. Those Christians who declared the Gnostics heretics, tried to do the same and provided explanations to address the same quest for knowledge of God, the connection between the Old and New Testament, and offered stories about salvation that would resonate with Christians that also seemed to seek answers not just dogma.

    ~~ Gnosctic, Valentiniana, Mandeans, Manichaeans, the Kabbalah, Hermeticism and Neoplatonism, among many other creeds and philosophies examined in this course, which go from Early Christianity to the modern day, show that humans have always had a need to approach God and the Spirit in ways that aren't simplistic or literal, that humans need of myths and symbols to go deeper into the understanding of the world and Spirit to give meaning to their lives.

    ~~ Believers, or some ranks amongst them, have always aimed to make sense of the Biblical Genesis, a almost a need to know ho the world and the Universe came to be, why the world doesn't make sense despite the assumption of the existence of God, and the position of humans and the human soul in it. Have you ever wondered why Einstein is so "revered"?

    ~~ Coptic Christianity is such an important part of Early Christianity that this should be more commonly acknowledged and frequently taught in school. All the Coptic texts and Coptic Christianity of the past are an heritage to Humanity, at least to Christians, and we should aim to protect modern Copts, their churches and their Museums from the abuses and destruction they are suffering in modern Egypt.

    WARNING
    Brakke is very balance on his discourse, so I think nobody will get offended by anything he says. However, I you take the Bible and the New Testament to the letter, if you are conservative or very conservative Christian, this is not a book for you. This is a historical course, by a professional scholar who has no interest on doing anything that is not teaching a subject on which he is an expert. If you decide to go on and get offended, you are the only one to blame.

    A WISH
    I would love Brakke to offer another course on any of the subjects he is expert on! He is just a fantastic teacher and scholar and perfect for this sort of recording.
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    5.0 out of 5 stars
    Fabulous course, worth every cent

    Reviewed in the United States on October 15, 2016
    David Brakke, a Yale Ph.D. recipient and professor of the State of Ohio University has the virtue of knowing what teaching is. It is not that he has plenty of knowledge, is that he is able to convey the knowledge he has in ways that are both understandable, engaging and entertaining without being informal or too formal.

    THE RECORDING
    This is an excellent audio recording, great sound, well structured and narrated, with musical clues that indicate the end of a chapter, and headings by a radio-voice presenter at the beginning of each chapter.

    Brakke's narration is excellent. The modulation and inflection of his voice and tone are easy to follow without getting bored or sleepy, even when Brakke gives details about the myths of the different Gnostics. He is able to be rigorous about what he says but also flexible, not dogmatic, he doesn't present his opinion as Universal if it is not, he is humble but assertive. He does what true scholars do, they know a lot but know what they don't know so they don't fake what they don't or add on anything. Brakke's knowledge on the subject is exhaustive.

    THE LECTURES
    The course is made of 24 lessons, each of about 30 minutes and we are taken through the main schools of Gnosticism, the main sources and philosophers, giving a detailed account of each document discusses or branch of Early Christianity examined in the course. Brakke also shows the points that those branches and texts share and those on which they differ, and digs into what the life was for Christians in the three first centuries of the Christian Era, but also gives some sketched information about related beliefs that span through the Middle Ages and to this very day.

    The list of lessons is as follows:
    1- Rediscovering Gnosis. 2- Who where the Gnostics? 3- God in Gnostic Myth. 4- Gnosticism on Creation, Sin and Salvation. 5- Judas as Gnostic Tragic Hero. 6- Gnostic Bible Stories. 7- Gnosticism Ritual Pathway to God. 8- The Feminine in Gnostic Myth.9- The Gospel of Thomas’ Cryptic Sayings. 10- The Gospel of Thomas on Reunifying the Self.11- Valentinus, Great Preacher of Gnosis. 12- God and Creation in Valentinian Myth.13- “Becoming Male” through Valentinian Ritual. 14- Valentinian Views on Christian Theology. 15- Mary Magdalene as an Apostle of Gnosis. 16- Competing Revelations from Christ.17- The Invention of Heresy. 18- Making Gnosis Orthodox. 19- Gnosticism and Judaism. 20- Gnosis without Christ. 21- The Mythology of Manichaeism. 22- Augustine on Manichaeism and Original Sin.23- Gnostic Traces in Western Religions. 24- “Gnosticism” in the Modern Imagination.

    THE COMPANION BOOK
    You can download the book on PDF from your library (in your member area), potion the cursor on the PDF link and let clink and select save link as, and it will

    The audio-book comes with a companion book, of about 185 pages. The text is mostly what Brakke narrates, but not strictly so, no to the letter, as he adds things that aren't in the book. The book contains very helpful illustrations and figures, a list of recommended reads at the end of each chapter and some questions to ponder on it on your own. The book also includes a very up to date bibliography, and each chapter offers a list of suggested readings and makes some questions for the readier/student to ponder on.

    MY PERSONAL TAKINGS ON THE COURSE
    I have learned many things about Gnosticism and Early Christianity in this book. However, a few points have a special relevance for me, and they are the points that make me wonder, ponder and reflect. The eye-openers. These are my personal nuggets from the book:

    ~~ Gnosticism is a clear example of the many factions, chaos, and ways of dealing with Jesus' message in the first centuries of Christianity. Nothing was set on stone, so all Christians had to make sense of the differences between the God depicted in the Old Testament and the message brought by Jesus. Those first centuries saw different approaches, some of them considered heretic, but they were never so, they were mostly not dominant because even among main-stream Christianity, if such thing existed, nothing was set on stone either. Gnosticism sheds light on the richness and confusion with which early Christians looked at the world of Spirit.

    ~~ I found amazing how contemporary and relevant the Gospel of St Thomas is for modern spirituality and how, despite being discarded as being an apocrypha, the message is perhaps the closest to that of Jesus. The Kingdom of God is here and now, inside you, the inner and outer are a reflection of each other. So very Jungian, as well! It has made it to my must-read text. I wonder why never made it to the New Testament.

    ~~ I find really surprising the influence of Plato in many of the Gnostic myth, but with a layer of spirituality added onto it.

    ~~ Despite what many Gnostic aficionados say, the role of women in Gnosticism was not that different from the role that women had in Early Christianity. Yes, there are more women or female figures in the Gnostic writings, even the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, but women were considered derivative imperfect souls and copies of their male counterparts, from whom they need permission to act in the world.

    ~~ The Gospels weren't written by the apostles and are not contemporaneous of Jesus. I think that needs to be reminded. It is OK to believe, to believe in Jesus and to be Christian, but one should be aware of what one is swearing on.

    ~~ Mythical narratives need to make sense; otherwise, the faithful will adjust the narrative until it does. The example of the nativity scene Brakke gives is brilliant! Early Christians didn't have the set of dogmas or unquestionable "truths" we now have, as most of them are a historical construction, but we all want to make sense of religious texts, understand their lack of congruencies or things that seem not to depict God in ways that are unflattering. The Gnostics, perhaps more than anybody else, were able to address those hot-potato points and deal with them in very creative ways.

    ~~ Early Christians seemed to be more interested than contemporary Christians in understanding what they believed. These Christians sought direct knowledge of God not just to feel him in their hearts or to follow Jesus' teachings. They had a faith that was less blind, and part of spirituality was "to know" not just to believe, to interpret and not just to take everything literally. Those Christians who declared the Gnostics heretics, tried to do the same and provided explanations to address the same quest for knowledge of God, the connection between the Old and New Testament, and offered stories about salvation that would resonate with Christians that also seemed to seek answers not just dogma.

    ~~ Gnosctic, Valentiniana, Mandeans, Manichaeans, the Kabbalah, Hermeticism and Neoplatonism, among many other creeds and philosophies examined in this course, which go from Early Christianity to the modern day, show that humans have always had a need to approach God and the Spirit in ways that aren't simplistic or literal, that humans need of myths and symbols to go deeper into the understanding of the world and Spirit to give meaning to their lives.

    ~~ Believers, or some ranks amongst them, have always aimed to make sense of the Biblical Genesis, a almost a need to know ho the world and the Universe came to be, why the world doesn't make sense despite the assumption of the existence of God, and the position of humans and the human soul in it. Have you ever wondered why Einstein is so "revered"?

    ~~ Coptic Christianity is such an important part of Early Christianity that this should be more commonly acknowledged and frequently taught in school. All the Coptic texts and Coptic Christianity of the past are an heritage to Humanity, at least to Christians, and we should aim to protect modern Copts, their churches and their Museums from the abuses and destruction they are suffering in modern Egypt.

    WARNING
    Brakke is very balance on his discourse, so I think nobody will get offended by anything he says. However, I you take the Bible and the New Testament to the letter, if you are conservative or very conservative Christian, this is not a book for you. This is a historical course, by a professional scholar who has no interest on doing anything that is not teaching a subject on which he is an expert. If you decide to go on and get offended, you are the only one to blame.

    A WISH
    I would love Brakke to offer another course on any of the subjects he is expert on! He is just a fantastic teacher and scholar and perfect for this sort of recording.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on January 17, 2023
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    This was very thorough and informing. While I am not a fan of any religious indoctrination because of corruption, this presentation was an interesting read. I try to have an open mind and choose the good from the bad when gaining knowledge.